Jak Frost
I have a problem with people who leave overly negative reviews about documentaries. The simple reason being that people do not seem to know what a documentary is supposed to accomplish. Documentaries are not objective narratives, structurally. Documentaries are essays. They present a thesis statement, support that thesis with background research, present the supporting evidence and draw a conclusion from that thesis based on the evidence presented. The ultimate arbiter of the success of this argument is the viewing public. Objective narrative is still only the province of journalism and tax reviews. If you feel you did not see enough support of "the other side" you are watching the wrong film. In a few words, "The Butch Factor" was excellent. I have shared this film with many people to see their reactions and this will really touch off a lot of discussion to hash out next time you are at the pub. As to the film itself, I was at first a little put-off by the hyper-kinetic feel of the film, but it settles down quickly and looks at the recent "discovery" that gay men can be gay and masculine at the same time. Or more to the point, "The Butch Factor" wants to start people talking about what does it mean to be masculine as a gay man. What does that even mean in a larger context when the majority culture judge gay men, by definition, as less "manly" than any straight man just for being gay?It is a fact that masculinity is prized in N.American culture over femininity in men. So I was initially concerned that the conclusion of the film would be that one is better than the other. That does not happen at all. In fact the TRUE meaning of the conclusion of "The Butch Factor" is the part that will start all the best pub arguments.I was relieved by the amount of respect that was shown for feminine gay men by the other interviewees. Presenting as a masculine male allowed many of these men to avoid the pitfalls and outrages that happen to us growing up; for more feminine men, passing was impossible. Often the more "butch" men in the film say how the feminine men they have known are tougher, more resilient men for being who they are and that message was gratifying to hear. One interview subject, who presents as feminine brought up the fact that gay men's defensive use of caustic wit and flippancy is "often put on as a mask that protected them from being hurt growing up and too often we take that to our community and turn our ammunition on each other." It was a refreshingly honest answer and one that more people need to hear in the community. Was this a flawless documentary? No, there were many points they could have fleshed out more that seemed to zip right by, but on the whole it was a quick, fun and thought-provoking documentary, one that I recommend and one that also wants me to seek out more of Chris Hines work.
evening1
Who gets to define maleness, anyway? In the United States, many think that to be masculine, one must be heterosexual. You're tough, athletic, a bass or baritone, and ruggedly individualistic. If not, once you hit middle school, you just might get hurt."I was labeled a faggot before I knew I was gay," says one young man who got bullied straight out of elementary school. Ironically, perhaps, it's such abused souls who may know best what it is to be a man. As someone quoted in this program points out, the ostracized must learn to "stand alone and be strong." This program also examines femininity, guy-style. We learn that girlish behaviors often trigger violent responses in hetero males and that effeminate guys must be hyper-vigilant to attack -- even in a gay-friendly town like San Francisco.As a hetero woman in my 50s, I found this show sensitized me to topics I hadn't considered before. Helpful viewing.
thesar-2
Oddly enough, earlier in the very day I discover The Butch Factor existed, I had a conversation with a coworker that laughed with me that not only do I narrow my "love search" to 10% of the population, I only focus on 10% of that ratio (SEE: title.) Oh, and they have to be single as well.I think that equals 0.000076%, at least that's how it seems.Then comes: The Butch Factor, a wonderful documentary to show the mostly unseen side of the gay lifestyle. Though I did enjoy the very quick, but excellently paced and packed with enough appropriately timed examples, I did have a few minor problems. I'd like to get those negatives out of the way so we explore more of the pleasures (no pun) I had with the rest of the movie.A lot of the subjects filmed seemed to have a deep problem with feminine gay males, or even just ones who show a lot of (hairless) skin and either want to belittle or even eliminate them and the butch (or less "stereotypical,") want to be accepted. I believe the narrator did the obligatory "Can't we all just get along" speech, which I agree, since groups yearning for global acceptance divided can surely fall. Unfortunately, they showed very few who agree with that and hypocritically, they end up alienating themselves while yearning to be accepted just like the ones they oppose. And this leads me to my second issue.I do believe the documentary set out to show this "side of the fence" and achieved it 100%. But, what I appreciate most in documentaries is showing all sides. They did have one, that I can recall, straight male who was/is a member of one of the gay sports teams displayed. He thought it was cool that "the gays" would/could be playing rugby. I would have preferred to hear more from the other-other side of the fence as that gives me a more well-rounded viewpoint. Sorry, Michael Moore/Food Inc. fans, even if I agree with you (as I tend to) it strengths a documentary, even if I thoroughly disagree with the opposing views.Okay, that said, this was a refreshing view and though I don't consider myself feminine, nor do I look down upon anyone that is, it does get tiresome to always see queens, or hairless young adults who look like they're 15, representing the gay community. In addition, if TV shows, including reality, do want to show the "butch" side of the "gays," they'll pick the toppest model out there, an Angel Boy, if you will. The guys here are everyday-looking, though some look like they could lift 4 cars while texting with their free hand, and they want to be "normal." They don't want the first thing that comes to someone else's mind is "homosexual," followed by football player, husband, construction worker, etc. They acknowledge that it is only a small fraction of themselves. I am in the same boat; I hate to be labeled as "the gay friend" or "Please meet my friend/You haven't met my friend? He's gay." ARRRG! Please tell me, there's more layers more interesting than that. At least, I think so. My life does not revolve around that and I don't believe many straight people concentrate on their heterosexuality.The documentary does show many points of view (99.4% gay) of what masculinity means to some men across the country. It dives into different genres, athletics, sports, occupations and dresses, of course. It also makes a good job of pointing out that America(ns) thoroughly put so much effort into stating what it "really means to be a man," i.e. the Marlboro Man or The Clint Eastwood/John Wayne Cowboy. You know, the type where you're a "fruit" if you hug another male. Other countries are not so closed-minded and a lot more secure in their true masculinity. I agree with this and the points made in the film.I've been very fortunate to be surrounded by good friends and co-workers – my whole life – that accept me, no matter what and most of which don't make a big deal about my homosexuality. In fact, it rarely comes up – which I feel is a plus – as if they forgot about it. And I think society is getting better, more free to accept one another and not slam the door as in decades past on anyone at all different. Now, my eyesight might be narrow due to the group of people (most, say 98%) I associate with are straight and accepting and recently, a friend of mind, who happens to be one of the most open-minded, accepting and sexuality-assured (yes, he's straight) person I know said his group of friends still portray homophobia pretty bad. Unfortunately, it's the parents that keep teaching this horrid behavior, even when it's learned from another child at recess, it's still passed down from the behavior they see/absorb, for the most part.Wow…I didn't mean this to turn into a soapbox. My point, and the movie carefully displays this, is: in a perfect world, a man (sorry, they barely scratched the female gender) is defined by his actions, not because he's a man, or because he happens to be gay/bi/etc. I hope more people see movies like this, or get the message to see the person first, see the qualities, bond with whomever and do unto others. If it happens to be revealed the person is gay, and you're not, dismiss it as we all have our preferences and desires.Dang soapbox once again. I knocked it over, don't worry. See this movie. Maybe it'll teach some, that not all homosexuals can be seen by the naked eye, nor should they.
rich-228
It's a challenging undertaking to examine "the butch factor" as it relates to gay men, and the filmmakers have done an OK job. They interview all kinds of gay men: guys who play football, rugby, guys involved in rodeo, and other stereotypical masculine pursuits. This is balanced somewhat by interviews with "feminine" men. Also included are interviews with sociologists and others who study masculinity and gay culture.However, the "movie" has an "E channel" look and feel. Lots of gratuitous shots of chests, butts, etc. Is this a documentary, or is it selling itself as fun to watch?
